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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have
 high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:30:50 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>
>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>> power to play a game every hour.
>> 
>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>
> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at 
> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you 
> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine 
> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North 
> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.

Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. 
(Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in 
Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that 
case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop 
charging — of any kind).

>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>> CPU).
>> 
>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>
> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I 
> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 
> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens 
> sooner, all the better.

I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not 
fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many 
times now) I'm not a game player.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien