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From: Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Lincoln's Letter to the Editor of the N,Y, Tribune
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 19:41:15 -0400
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John Harshman wrote:
> On 5/22/24 11:24 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>> Chris Thompson wrote:
>>> Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do not doubt that slavery was a cause of the US Civil War, but it 
>>>> was President Lincoln's expressed primary objective as he wrote to 
>>>> the editor of the New York Tribune was to Preserve the Union. It was 
>>>> the South's fear that Lincoln would free the slaves, but it appears, 
>>>> based on the letter he wrote  to the editor of the New York 
>>>> newspaper, that this was a misjudgement by the South of Lincoln and 
>>>> his objective.
>>>>
>>>> The institution had existed f0r over 2 centuries in the South, the 
>>>> question is would there have
>>>> been war had the South _n0t_ succeeded? The succession of Carolina 
>>>> followed by the attack on Ft. Sumter started the Civil War.
>>>>
>>>> I had read, believed and defended the opinion that unfair tariffs 
>>>> imposed on the South was the main cause of the war, but this was 
>>>> proven wrong, in spite of the cites on the net advocating this fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Lincoln's Letter to the editor of the New York Newspaper was written 
>>>> 1n August 22, 1862,  ab0ut a year and a half after the start of the 
>>>> War between the States:
>>>>
>>>> Picture
>>>> Mathew Brady Photographs of Civil War-Era Personalities and Scenes, 
>>>> National Archives and Records Administration
>>>> Hon. Horace Greely: Executive Mansion,
>>>> Dear Sir Washington, August 22, 1862.
>>>>
>>>> I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the 
>>>> New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions 
>>>> of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, 
>>>> controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may 
>>>> believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against 
>>>> them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial 
>>>> tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have 
>>>> always supposed to be right.
>>>> As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not 
>>>> meant to leave any one in doubt.
>>>> I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the 
>>>> Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the 
>>>> nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those 
>>>> who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time 
>>>> save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would 
>>>> not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy 
>>>> slavery, I do not agree with them. 
>>>> _My_paramount_object_in_this_struggle_is_to_ save_ the_ Union_, and 
>>>> is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the 
>>>> Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save 
>>>> it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it 
>>>> by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What 
>>>> I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it 
>>>> helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do 
>>>> not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less 
>>>> whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I 
>>>> shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the 
>>>> cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I 
>>>> shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
>>>> I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; 
>>>> and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that 
>>>> all men every where could be free. Yours,
>>>> A. LINCOLN
>>>>
>>>> http://lincolnandemancipation.weebly.com/letter-to-horace-greeley-1862.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This really isn't difficult. I fail to see how you have so many 
>>> problems with it.
>>>
>>> Yes, Lincoln's goal was to preserve the Union.
>>> Why did the Union need preserving?
>>> Because slave states seceded. (Not "succeeded".)
>>> Why did those states secede?
>>> Slavery.
>>> Don't take my word for it.
>>> Look up the Articles of Secession. Read the Cornerstone speech.
>>> It's all written down.
>>>
>> You are right. This was the South's reason for the secession, but 
>> secession was due to a misunderstanding of Lincoln's objective.
> 
> It was not a misunderstanding. This too has been explained to you. But 
> at least you're now off the tariff thing. Progress.
> 
>> This based upon Lincoln's expressed words as to his objective in his 
>> letter almost 2 years after the start of the war. But maybe this was 
>> his immediate objective not his ultimate purpose. But would this not 
>> be disingenuous?
> 
> No. It's just Lincoln expressing his immediate priorities. Preserving 
> the Union took priority over freeing the slaves. So?
> 
>> This is not to say that Lincoln approved slavery, he preferred freedom 
>> for all people. Did you bother to read the Letter to to the editor by 
>> Lincoln?
> 
> Do you ever bother to read anything?
> 
In other words NO,