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From: Dr. Who <dr.who@biosphere.orb>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Have any of you christers ever actually read Isaiah 7?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:37:15 -0800
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On Jan 11, 2023, Ted wrote
(in article<almarsoft.1828807796091057407@news.easynews.com>):

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 18:19:30 -0800, Dr. Who<dr.who@biosphere.orb>
> wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 2023, Ted wrote
> > (in article<almarsoft.1509432792483175320@news.easynews.com>):
>
> > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 00:27:49 -0800, Dr. Who<dr.who@biosphere.orb>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Jan 9, 2023, Frank Lee wrote
> > > > (in article<5j3qrhhrpuq8qj2mss4hln9c50hc0ufq43@4ax.com>):
> > >
> > > > > Dr. Who <dr.who@biosphere.orb> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 8, 2023, Frank Lee wrote
> > > > > > (in article<h6vkrh964gtb85qt0t0il4ql2qdcfetl7f@4ax.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dr. Who <dr.who@biosphere.orb> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2023, Ted wrote
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > Note that none of the Jews ever claimed that Jesus
> never
> > > existed as a
> > > > > > > > > real person. That myth was invented during the 18th
> > > century CE.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All the Jews in the NT who believed in Jesus claim not
> only
> > > that he
> > > > > > > > existed,
> > > > > > > > but many saw the Lord after he was resurrected. Josephus
> > > speaks of him, as
> > > > > > > > does some records of the Roman Government.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh no you don't. You claimed Roman records before, and
> > > > > > > when you were challenged on that, you deceptively quoted
> > > > > > > the latin vulgate bible, while refusing to name the
> > > > > > > source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, I didn't, I do not have one to quote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't play dumb. There are copies of every version on
> > > > > the internet. I don't know where you found it.
> > >
> > > > I do not have any copies of that, and I am not interested in
> one.
> > > In all the
> > > > years I have studied the Word of God that version has never
> been of
> > > interest
> > > > to me. All the versions of the Bible I quote I have copies of
> here
> > > at home.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I also do not have the time at this moment to gather up all
> the
> > > documents
> > > > > > that you request,
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't request any documents. I only pointed out your
> > > > > error, if that's what it is.
> > >
> > > > Sorry but you are out of line here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I also do not have a habit of recording things like I
> > > > > > typically write in these NG's everything is a one off or one
> > > and done, even
> > > > > > the scripture I quote, I quote fresh, However, here is a
> site I
> > > just located
> > > > > > that shows a lot or what I remember reading like the stuff
> from
> > > Josephus
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > I mentioned and you noted. The fact that He was not a
> christian
> > > should only
> > > > > > add fuel to the fire that it was truthful.
> https://marktabata.com/2017/04/17/ancient-roman-records-and-jesus-2/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This references a lot of works that I do have in my library,
> > > personal
> > > > > > library. Which speaks to the roman docs, not all of which,
> BTW,
> > > have been
> > > > > > destroyed.
> > > > >
> > > > > So he claims that a 2nd century author made a reference
> > > > > to documents which don't exist any more, if they ever
> > > > > existed.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is no better than quoting the bible as a source.
> > >
> > > > To you, perhaps.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > There are no contemporary Roman records of Jesus. If
> > > > > > > there were, they would be well known.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Josephus's mention of Jesus appears to have been edited
> > > > > > > after the fact, as you must know. Josephus never became
> > > > > > > a christian, which further discredits his glowing alleged
> > > > > > > reference to Jesus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't doubt that Jesus actually existed, tho certainly
> > > > > > > not as described in the gospels. Your dissemblance
> > > > > > > doesn't help your cause.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Very many testify to the fact that he existed, even the
> > > Rabbi's of that
> > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > and following, they just deny that he was the Son of
> God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't believe you. Show us the reference from any
> > > > > > > source not in the bible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just admit that no Roman records of Jesus exist.
> > > > > No point in trying to fool anyone, least of all yourself.
> > >
> > > > There are evidences of Roman records of all the things you
> contest
> > > and the
> > > > evidences of such documents are in the writings of Tertullian.
> > >
> > > > You can deny God honestly, and just say you do not believe, but
> why
> > > pretend
> > > > there is no evidence of him?
> > >
> > > There are practically ZERO Roman records of Jesus. Two ambiguous
> one
> > > liners by Pliny and Suetonius each. A bit more from Tacitus, but
> his
> > > factual errors make it clear he wasn't referencing any official
> > > documents but rather relying on hearsay.
> > >
> > > Only three, and all written during the second century, a hundred
> > > years after Jesus. There are no Roman records sufficient even to
> > > indicate that he was a real person. If you know of any other Roman
> > > records, please share them with us.
>
> > Get yourself a copy of tertxxxxs books and read through then I
> don't remember
> > which books they are listed, but I'd bet you could find copies of
> then on the
> > web
>
> tertxxxxs books
>
> Showing results fortetrisbooks
> Search instead fortertxxxxs books
>
> Did you mean:tetrisbooks

Tertullian. I couldn't remember how to spell his name. :)