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On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:12:29 +0100, Laika <nestorlambda@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:
>Le 30/11/24 à 01:59, D a écrit :
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:19:08 +0100, Laika <nestorlambda@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> it was the number of messages in the archive of one server, for each
>>> fido-group (only the first ones was listed, as you can see chatgpt has
>>> drunk).
>> 
>> just curious... the popular "blueworldhosting" server currently shows
>> over twenty-four thousand (24,712) articles in news:fido7.ru.military
>
>There is 1 year less on i2pn2, but much more on csiph (since 2015), all 
>readable, especially in Russian, archives in Arabic. Often, an nntp 
>server offers a long list of message titles but their content is 
>inaccessible, the sysop decides, nntp sysops are rarely reliable or 
>trade in binaries, the best free servers have closed. That's why fido 
>could be reborn ...

about one dozen free (public nntp) newsservers currently operational that
carry the common text hierarchy (40,000+ newsgroups) . . . "csiph" is new
to me:

(using Tor Browser 14.0.3)
http://csiph.com/
>Free public NNTP/Usenet access at
>news://nntp.csiph.com/comp.sys.ibm.ps2.harware
>or drop by on your favorite provider!
>This local server caries the entire text hierarchy.
>...
>Connected Peerings
>  news.bbs.nz
>  erje
>  Eternal September
>  individual.net
>  snorky.mixmin.net
>  neodome.net
>  news.samoylyk.net
>  swapon.de
>  tnetconsulting.net
>  usenet.pasdenom.info
>  news.weretis.net
>  xmission
[end quoted excerpts]

(using Tor Browser 14.0.3)
http://put.hk/reader.jsp?server=nntp.csiph.com&btnsubmit=Go
>Server: nntp.csiph.com (45321)
                         ^^^^^
5896 articles, oldest article dated 2016/10/1 . . . i tested several other
active newsgroups with server "nntp.csiph.com" (localhost 119/tor browser)
and it appears to have excellent article retention (oldest date 2015/06/02
in a.p.n. . . 77,000+ articles!); thanks for the tip, added to server list

>Is fido moderated? Sometimes. This moderator is omnipresent: Approved: 
>gateway@fido7.ru
>
>How to access? Fortunately, gogle-groups this parasite has been stopped, 
>there are still gateways apparently (there are quite a few remailed 
>messages, see the encapsulated-remailing method). Russia and Crimea seem 
>to have hosts, you would have to find a recent fidonet directory then 
>the phone number of the BBS or its DNS address. fido7.f400.link ?
>
>https://bbs.fandom.com/wiki/FidoNet#FidoNet_availability
>https://www.fidonet.org
>They say: Use telnet for fidonet. It's a good idea, but BBSs allow you 
>to bypass the internet.
>
>More info in the active groups and their FAQs, everything is in Russian 
>(google-translate doesn't like it). The West has disowned fido, for 
>convenience.
>
>fido7.f400.link increments a counter in the routing over time, new 
>nodes? There would be 334 (where?), it's plausible.
>
>Fido has its nomenclature xzone.xxxcounty.xxxnode.xxxxpoint plus 
>remailers, no need for DNS since it originally went through BBSs 
>(telephone). You can even go through amateur radio.
>
>Some explanations and political information on fido7.ru.anarchy
>
snip

thanks for the detailed description . . . i'll read more as time permits,
especially because usenet servers carry so many of these fido newsgroups

>> however, the oldest article for this newsgroup (fido7.ru.military) on
>> the server (news.blueworldhosting.com) is dated 2022/03/22 ~three and
>> one-half years old, which suggests "fidonet.org" approved articles to
>> this popular moderated newsgroup expire before the server's longevity
>> of about twenty-one (21) years, as is evident for enduring newsgroups
>> i've had very good luck with russian freeware (e.g. https://aimp.ru/)
>> and websites, but i have no experience with fidonet (only usenet, and
>> formerly with bbs) . . . because it's moderated, is it like political,
>> or just common interests in all things military without east vs. west?
>
>Russia censors websites that offer VPN downloads, I don't know anything 
>about the rest, but I see remailing, approvals maiby needed for 
>remailing, and a few groups that have survived for reasons I don't know 
>(technical means, confidentiality?).

only guessing, but this bbs "fido" network probably seems normal for the
(they say mostly) russian/ukrainian-based users, with politics, religion,
etc. being avoided as much as possible . . . like everyone else is doing